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ET64 Single Decal Heer, Auwere Station, Narva
Quote from Paddyd00 on March 9, 2020, 2:25 amQuote from sysyphus on March 9, 2020, 12:52 amHowever there will be a day that a perfect crime into militaria antiques might be committed? Who knows..? I am not meaning camos but specifically to decals applications?
Part of the classic art we do see is also reproduced...(paint and sculptures) they fooled many experts.
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Quote from sysyphus on March 9, 2020, 12:52 amHowever there will be a day that a perfect crime into militaria antiques might be committed? Who knows..? I am not meaning camos but specifically to decals applications?
Part of the classic art we do see is also reproduced...(paint and sculptures) they fooled many experts.
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Unless there already was one π³π³π³π³π³π³
Quote from HetzersGonnaHetz on March 9, 2020, 8:16 amThank you for all the responses again gents, the question re the fake style of decal was just curiosity, I agree studying the originals is what makes or breaks it. I'm glad you thought mine was similiar to Koerner decal Sysyphus in terms of the wings, as I also saw that too when I checked mine against decals presented in Ken's book, but also here on GHV, Shows I'm starting to get a bit of an eye for them, just didn't think to check this one first.
Hopefully the next one I share with you is a real beauty!
Kindest regards
Harvey
Thank you for all the responses again gents, the question re the fake style of decal was just curiosity, I agree studying the originals is what makes or breaks it. I'm glad you thought mine was similiar to Koerner decal Sysyphus in terms of the wings, as I also saw that too when I checked mine against decals presented in Ken's book, but also here on GHV, Shows I'm starting to get a bit of an eye for them, just didn't think to check this one first.
Hopefully the next one I share with you is a real beauty!
Kindest regards
Harvey
Quote from schwerpunkt73 on March 9, 2020, 8:58 amMany wise words have been said by all. The blank canvasses that can be used for fakes are very limited which is a big advantage to us and which is why fakers tend to go for perfecting camo recreations , there are more lower tier helmets begging to be camouflaged , Β that is in my opinion the real worry for the future.
Harvey , keep asking questions , it is the way to learn. For me the flat look,of the pulver , the too crisp,lines and of course the flawed head and right claw were immediate issues.
Many wise words have been said by all. The blank canvasses that can be used for fakes are very limited which is a big advantage to us and which is why fakers tend to go for perfecting camo recreations , there are more lower tier helmets begging to be camouflaged , Β that is in my opinion the real worry for the future.
Harvey , keep asking questions , it is the way to learn. For me the flat look,of the pulver , the too crisp,lines and of course the flawed head and right claw were immediate issues.
Quote from sysyphus on March 9, 2020, 10:38 amQuote from David C. on March 9, 2020, 1:45 amA fun topic. Wish we could talk face to face.
I don't predict a problem. Most helmets, M35, 40's 42's. We know what is expected to be...as far as decals. Most helmets are already decaled that were brought home. What's left to mess with ? What examples will be faked ? A rear stamped Quist ? A late war, high lot # M42 that is post war decaled ? We will be suspicious. You need the helmets available with no decals to install a fake to. Really, think about it.
Anyway...just my opinion friend
Thanks, D
yes funny. of course we are just sharing opinions.
Predict problems is part of my work. so i suppose it is set into my mind.
just for fun the worse scenario (i might be already in the otherside that day however so it won't be my problem):
Let the pakistani or indians crappy easytospotshells apart for a moment...
step 1. i already noticed improvements about the "groove" on rims recently.
2...for a high-end scammer that wants to "invest" using a 3D printer (after scanning a real shell) in order to create a mold...do we think to be so difficult to get it one almost perfectly made, a day in the future?
I approached to this this technology for jewellery, shoe design and visual art for example...and it's spectacular.
Yes the paint look, yes the lacquer aspect, yes the patina, yes the wear and liner components available..but if they imitate Modigliani or other artists (i mean their "touch" over a canvas or on a sculpture) how about an industrial piece made in milions of examples where there is no humanity but cold machinery involved into make them?
Quote from David C. on March 9, 2020, 1:45 amA fun topic. Wish we could talk face to face.
I don't predict a problem. Most helmets, M35, 40's 42's. We know what is expected to be...as far as decals. Most helmets are already decaled that were brought home. What's left to mess with ? What examples will be faked ? A rear stamped Quist ? A late war, high lot # M42 that is post war decaled ? We will be suspicious. You need the helmets available with no decals to install a fake to. Really, think about it.
Anyway...just my opinion friend
Thanks, D
yes funny. of course we are just sharing opinions.
Predict problems is part of my work. so i suppose it is set into my mind.
just for fun the worse scenario (i might be already in the otherside that day however so it won't be my problem):
Let the pakistani or indians crappy easytospotshells apart for a moment...
step 1. i already noticed improvements about the "groove" on rims recently.
2...for a high-end scammer that wants to "invest" using a 3D printer (after scanning a real shell) in order to create a mold...do we think to be so difficult to get it one almost perfectly made, a day in the future?
I approached to this this technology for jewellery, shoe design and visual art for example...and it's spectacular.
Yes the paint look, yes the lacquer aspect, yes the patina, yes the wear and liner components available..but if they imitate Modigliani or other artists (i mean their "touch" over a canvas or on a sculpture) how about an industrial piece made in milions of examples where there is no humanity but cold machinery involved into make them?
Quote from David C. on March 9, 2020, 1:18 pmWould there be a demand for such imitation helmets that all the work would be profitable ? Touching up or reproducing a painting could mean a substantial profit, (millions maybe). A German helmet ? I don't see it.
The other components...leather liners & chinstraps will not be convincing. Texture, smell, actual zinc coatings on the steel parts.
Shell itself, to imitate wartime wear or factory paint patina on a minty example...I can't see it.
It could happen I guess someday, but not in my lifetime
Thanks, D
Would there be a demand for such imitation helmets that all the work would be profitable ? Touching up or reproducing a painting could mean a substantial profit, (millions maybe). A German helmet ? I don't see it.
The other components...leather liners & chinstraps will not be convincing. Texture, smell, actual zinc coatings on the steel parts.
Shell itself, to imitate wartime wear or factory paint patina on a minty example...I can't see it.
It could happen I guess someday, but not in my lifetime
Thanks, D
Quote from sysyphus on March 9, 2020, 8:28 pmThe Mother Cross medals always intrigued me for this reason. Why bother to replicate a common easy to find piece that original costs like 2 pizzas with 2 beers?
The quantity is the only reason. Just an ex:
if i sell 1.000 pcs at 50 usd tot is 50.000. my cost is 10 usd to make them..my profit is 40.000 usd.
The Mother Cross medals always intrigued me for this reason. Why bother to replicate a common easy to find piece that original costs like 2 pizzas with 2 beers?
The quantity is the only reason. Just an ex:
if i sell 1.000 pcs at 50 usd tot is 50.000. my cost is 10 usd to make them..my profit is 40.000 usd.